AoR 162: Grazing Lands Expo 2025 with Megan Terry

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>> Welcome to the Art of Range, a podcast focused on rangelands and the people who manage them. I'm your host, Tip Hudson, range and livestock specialist with Washington State University Extension. The goal of this podcast is education and conservation through conversation. Find us online at artofrange.com.

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Welcome back to the Art of Range. My guest today is Megan Terry. She's the Executive Director for the Montana Grazing Lands Coalition. And we're together today to talk about an upcoming event, because it's a big event. And in my experience, these kinds of things tend to be influential in shifting people's thinking and changing behavior. And my guess is that that's one of the goals of the organization. So, Megan, welcome.

>> Hey, good morning, thanks for having me.

>> Well, I said that you're the Executive Director for the Montana Grazing Lands Coalition. But who are you? What's your, what's your background, and how did you end up heading up the Montana GLC Organization?

>> Yeah, absolutely. It's kind of an interesting background. I am originally from Southwestern Colorado. Graduated from a little town called Montrose. And then moved to Texas and went to college at Tarleton State University. I have a degree in wildlife sustainability and ecosystem science, which is kind of a long

>> Where is Tarleton State?

>> Yeah, it's in Stephenville, so it's just like an hour 40 from Fort Worth.

>> I don't know where that is either. In which state?

>> Texas.

>> Got it. Okay. That's funny, I've never heard of them.

>> Yeah, it's a pretty small school. They actually went D1 whenever, I guess right after I left. But pretty, pretty small, known for having one of the best rodeo teams in the country. That's kind of our claim to fame. But really small town, small class sizes, very ag focused. Really, really great school. I really enjoyed my time there.

>> Sorry, I interrupted you. I also wanted to ask, I like the title of your degree. When did you get that degree?

>> Yeah, so I graduated in 2019. So, I'm pretty fresh in my career. I don't think this degree itself exists anymore. I think they've revamped it a little bit, so I think it has a new name. But it's kind of a long drawn out title. But essentially my degree was in like wildlife biology, or wildlife management.

>> Yeah.

>> But we took a really hard look at kind of the bigger picture, and kind of widespread ecosystem services and ecosystem science. The sustainability piece was pretty big. And I don't think I understood how important that was going to be in my career, because really I graduated college and had no idea what I was going to do with it. I knew that I really loved kind of the public lands, private lands dynamic. I knew I had an immense respect for big game. And I knew that I wanted to end up in the mountains somewhere. And so I thought that this degree would be pretty fitting. And it has done me well.

>> So, did you grow up on the edge of the mountains then? You said Southwest Colorado. How close were you to the Rocky Mountains?

>> Yeah. Kind of right there within. So, my family lived in Montrose. And then actually right around the time that I was getting ready to graduate and move to a little town called Ouray. And it's since become quite the tourist destination.

>> Yeah, that one I have heard of.

>> So, many folks have probably visited. Yeah. But, yeah, right there in the mountains. I'll tell you what. It's not a bad place to live. And it's not a bad place to grow up.

>> Okay, carry on. Where did you go after Tarleton State?

>> Yeah, sure. Graduated college and actually got an entry level soil con position with NRCS. At the time, I really knew next to nothing about the agency. I grew up in agriculture, but not, I didn't grow up on a cattle ranch. My family is not heavily involved in ag. But I did glow up with horses, participated in 4H and FFA. My parents have shown horses since I was a little girl. And so I knew that I had a connection to agriculture, but I didn't really consider it becoming my career until I got on with NRCS and I started working in the Gainesville field office, which is just like an hour north of the Dallas, Forth Worth area. And, boy, I felt like I was so in over my head. Wildlife degree, and suddenly I'm talking about soil health and grazing management. That's a pretty heavy cropland area, so we had lots of farming practices that were coming up. And I was a bit of a fish out of water there for a while.

>> And then it became your water. Is that what happened?

>> It did.

>> You decided you liked it?

>> Yeah, it quickly became my water. I often joke that I have a degree in wildlife biology, but it didn't take me very long to figure out that I was far more passionate about grass and cows. And so I decided to just build a whole career around it. And honestly I think I made, that was, that was the best decision I could have ever made for myself. We had a grazing specialist that worked out of that office. And I was very lucky to be able to spend a good amount of time with him, learning from him, and kind of figuring out, you know, what the rangeland management thing was all about, because it was new to me. And I really kind of just dove in headfirst and figured out that that was really what I wanted to do. So, pretty quickly thereafter, I was in an entry level position for about a year and a half. And then I was offered a position to manage my own NRCS field office, so I moved from Gainesville up into the Texas Panhandle, which is a very different region, very different climate, looks very different. So, that was kind of a new step for me. I'm managing my own field office and things really shifted from cropland and irrigated ground over to range. And I really found myself loving my job even more at that point. And if you've ever been to the Texas Panhandle, then you know that the people are what make it the most incredible place. And so I really just was able to get connected to that community and dive in. And shortly thereafter, about another year, year and a half went by, and I was offered the position to become the area grazing specialist in the Texas Panhandle. So, my career has not been long in terms of time. But I've had a wide variety of experiences that have really shaped who I am as a professional and as a person. But also given me the ability to get to where I am now.

>> Yeah, I love that trajectory. So, is the position with Montana GLC a full time paid position, or are you doing that as sort of one piece of work for a broader, a larger nonprofit?

>> Goodness, no. It is full time, paid salary. So, I was in a position working for a westwide nonprofit a little over a year ago. And Montana GLC, I had some mutual connections. And Montana GLC came to me and said, hey, we're looking to put in for some grant money to hire a full time executive director. And what I was doing at the time was working to support GLCs in the west. I was currently, well, at that point, working with Wyoming and California. And so I jumped right on it. I was super excited to help them put a grant together that could get them some, some capacity. So, I wrote the grant. We put in for it. We found out we got it. And then a couple folks approached me and kind of said, hey, you know, what's your interest level in maybe taking over a position like this? So, I was very fortunate, went through the intervery much process, and already had some great relationships with the GLC, having worked with them for about a year at that point. And I feel like I really lucked into this position. Not only because I created it when I wrote the grant, but because this, this organization is truly phenomenal. It's led by some of the most amazing ranchers across the state of Montana. And it is, it is full time, it's full time and then some, certain times of the year. Summer, specifically.

>> Meaningful work, as you feel like that. That's right.

>> But I would not have it any other way. Oh, my gosh, yeah. And it's so worth it. It's been really challenging for me to draw some boundaries between work and my personal life. My family lives in ag too. And so sometimes it's challenging for me to draw the boundary and like put work away and just, you know, be at the horse sale or just, you know, be at a branding or whatever and not also be thinking about all of my GLC responsibilities, because they're so closely intertwined.

>> I'm sorry if I missed it. How long have you been working as the GLC executive?

>> Yeah, so I've just been here since November of last year. It's pretty fresh.

>> I was thinking that was the case.

>> Yeah, we found out we got the funding I think August, September. And then hiring takes some time, especially when you're federally funded. There's some hoops you have to jump through and check boxes that you have to make sure to tick. So, I think I, I think I officially assumed this role like November 1 of last year.

>> The Montana GLC website says that they started up in some fashion in 1991. That's pretty much the beginning of the National Grazing Lands Coalition. You may have seen that we did an interview with Bill Fox a little while back to plug the summer tour. And we talked about the history of the National GLC. And I want to say it's about the same date. What is the history of the Montana GLC?

>> Yeah, so, first, Bill is wonderful. And I'm so glad that NatGLC has him on their team, because he is such an incredible asset. The timelines really near each other. So, NatGLC was started in Montana. And then shortly thereafter, that kind of meeting of the minds is how I refer to it, but everybody kind of coming together in Bozeman and having that meeting about how we can make sure that the adequate technical assistance is being delivered to producers. That meeting occurred. And then it was kind of the birth of the first GLC. And then shortly thereafter, the State of Montana kind of started its own 501(c)(3) to focus specifically on Montana instead of kind of the Grazing Lands Coalition at the national level. So, the timelines really near each other. Kind of started up around the same time those conversations originally happened in Montana. So, very similar. And obviously Montana GLC and NatGLC's kind of mission, vision, goals are very similar. A lot of the work we do is very similar. We work really closely together as partners. Ashley McDonald is a great friend of mine. She's their current executive director. And she is absolutely wonderful and sends lots of support and resources to Montana, for which I'm very grateful.

>> Well, somehow what you've been doing has gotten this event seemingly a little bit more visibility than whatever has come before. I've lived in Washington State, working as the range and livestock extension specialist since 2003. And I think this is the first time I've seen an announcement about something like a grazing lands expo, you know, in Montana. Obviously the national ones make the rounds. But how, so question number one, for how long has the Montana GLC been doing some kind of regular meeting or conference like this? And two, what's making this one a bigger deal?

>> Yeah. So, to my knowledge, this is the first large scale conference that Montana GLC has ever hosted, which is really exciting. Montana GLC, from what I know about the organization prior to my time with them, has kind of gone through a bit of an administrative roller coaster. So, there have been some periods where they maybe didn't have administrative support, they didn't have someone kind of at the helm leading the charge. And so they've been a little bit quiet. And then there have been periods where they've had someone in this role or one similar where they've been able to do a little bit more and have a bigger presence. So, to my knowledge, they've hosted, you know, kind of a variety of field events, pasture locks, and field days, and a grazing related event here and there throughout the state. But this is the first kind of large scale conference that the GLC has ever tried to tackle. So, I'm excited. I think it's new for us. It's something that I think is going to serve a really great purpose kind of across the West too. We started out partnering with the Wyoming Grazing Lands Coalition, who's brand new, and kind of trying to get their feed underneath them. We started just partnering with them. And we kind of wanted it to be a two state deal. But very quickly we had immense interest from folks kind of across the West; Idaho, Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma, Washington, California. We've seen folks kind of come from all over and say, hey, this is something we really want to be a part of. Which is awesome, because I think that just solidifies the need and the value that it's going to bring. So, it started off as kind of a Montana, Wyoming. And now we're looking at more of like a westwide event. We have folks coming from several different states. And I'm really excited to just get everybody together and have a good conversation about the importance of grazing lands management and what that looks like for our ranchers.

>> Yeah. Forgive me. My memory is a little bit frazzled right now because I've been moving pretty fast the last couple months. But this meeting is in Billings, right?

>> It is in Billings, yeah.

>> Okay, I was just thinking that within a day's drive of Billings, there's an awful lot of grazing lands and cattle.

>> There are. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And that's one thing I'm kind of excited about. We have, we have a lot of really beautiful, really productive country around the Billings area. And so I'm excited, you know, the conference is going to be great. Lots of time for networking and to soak in all the information that's going to be available through the breakout sessions. But then on Sunday, for those that are interested, we get to kind of break out of the conference center and step into the field for a field day. And I'm really excited to just get out and show some folks some of the good work that's being done in Montana. Because I think a lot of times our ranchers don't always get the credit or the spotlight like they should. And so that's going to be a great opportunity for us to highlight a regional producer here in the Billings area, and get folks out, touching some grass and grounded a little bit.

>> Mhmm. Excuse me. Well, for those listeners that did not hear the episode with Bill Fox and the National Grazing Lands Coalition, it would be worth listening to that. But since the Montana GLC is, you know, somewhat an independent organization under the umbrella of the National Grazing Lands Coalition, how would you describe Montana GLC's mission and goals? And we can sort of get a flavor of that from what you've already said. But, you know, if you're giving the elevator speech, what are we about?

>> Yeah, absolutely.

>> What is Montana GLC about?

>> Absolutely. Yeah, what is Montana GLC? That's a great question. So, we kind of at our core, at our base, are a nonprofit organization. We are led by a 10 member landowner board. So, I have board members that are active ranchers, active agricultural producers, spanning everywhere from Eureka to Baker. So, I always joke, dang near Canada to dang near the Dakotas. And that's awesome, because I think it really kind of gives us a wide variety of perspectives on the board, which is great. If you read our website, kind of our boilerplate, is that we're a nonprofit organization that supports farmers and ranchers by providing a suite of resources with the goal of promoting economic and ecologic resiliency in ranching. And that's the long way to say the two things I think we really do, and we do really well, is that we support ranchers, first and foremost, that's what we're here to do, keep ranchers ranching is the phrase that we love, and so many of our partners love. And then we provide resources. And those resources look like a whole host of different things. They can be, you know, everything from trying to connect producers to funding opportunities, to plugging in to some different rancher networks, and kind of trying to, trying to connect ranchers to ranchers, but also ranchers to industry folks that maybe have something to offer. And then also just trying to highlight some of the really amazing resources that our partners have taken the time to develop. We have a pretty robust resources page on our website where we try to highlight some of the things that our partners have put out that we feel like might be valuable for producers in our state. Or even in our region. A lot of the stuff is not necessarily Montana specific. But just good tools that we feel like are good to have in the tool belt as a producer.

>> Yeah, that sounds good. I'm assuming that the primary intended attendees are ranchers. Who else, so I think that's a given, who else do you hope will be there?

>> Yeah, absolutely. First and foremost, yes, ranchers, absolutely. Those are the folks that I feel like really have the most to gain from the content that we're providing at the conference. Aside from ranchers, though, I really hope it's a good diverse mix of people. And I sincerely mean that, because I think that's where a lot of the really great and innovative conversations and ideas come is when we open up the table to folks that maybe we aren't normally seen having dinner with, or we normally consider to be, you know, somebody that we would reach out to and connect with on ag conversations. I really hope that people of all backgrounds and all sectors of the industry, or even outside the industry, can come to this event and feel the passion that this industry has and that Montana has for supporting agriculture and for supporting grazing land stewardship. And I just hope it's a good environment for folks; researchers, ranchers, industry professionals, salespeople, marketing folks, people that are working in agra tech, all sorts of folks. Even just people that have an interest in ag, or that are curious about ag. I really want this to be a good open, honest environment, where we're all able to come together and share our knowledge and share our resources and really just figure out how to better support this industry.

>> Yeah. My sense is that that feel has been successfully broadcast to people that are hearing about it. I just had a conversation day before yesterday with a researcher from a university in Washington State that has nothing to do with agriculture, but is developing some animal location technologies that they're interested in just sort of, you know, feeling out what is the potential interest from ranchers primarily about this kind of stuff. And I suggested they should come to this meeting. And I suspect he will likely be there. So, I think, I think, I think what you're describing has been, has been getting out.

>> That's exciting to hear, because as I'm putting the event together, I am so overwhelmed, and I'm so saturated with grazing expo conversation and kind of the logistics that go into planning a meeting like this that I don't hear the conversations that are happening, you know, kind of outside my little bubble. But I will say the few people, like yourself, that have spoken up and said, oh, I heard somebody talking about it the other day, nine times out of ten, it's somebody that I'm, that isn't in my circle already, or isn't in the organization's circle already, which is exciting. And it's somebody that I would have never thought to reach out to specifically about the event. So, I'm a little bit surprised, because I don't have a marketing background or an advertising background. But I feel like whatever we've been doing, it's working. And so I just, I just hope that people are hearing about it. I hope that they're compelled to come. And if for some reason there's some financial, you know, restriction or otherwise that's kind of standing between them and the conference, I hope that they reach out, because there are tons of great resources. And we're, we're looking to support folks in their attendance. So, it's really exciting, and also very validating, to hear that the conversations are happening, and that people are excited and find value in the meeting.

>> Yeah. Well, I think we've gotten to most of the details in a somewhat haphazard manner. But maybe we should do the short version of who, what, when, where, and why for this event. And then what I want to get to I think is what is the theme. Is there a theme?

>> Yeah, sure. So, kind of in the brief summary, it's the 2025 Grazing Expo, it's September 4th through the 7th in Billings, at the Billings Hotel and Convention Center. It's, it's slated the 4th through the 7th, sounds like four days, but kind of how it breaks down is an afternoon check in on that Thursday, the 4th. And then we have a really cool kickoff party Thursday night at By All Means Brewing there in Billings. Live music from Tris Munsick. Free drinks, free appetizers, big patio, cornhole boards, the whole nine yards. And then we have two full days of content. So, Friday, Saturday are full conference days. Trade show kind of running throughout. And then Saturday night is kind of our big, our big banquet night. So, we've got a really great presentation to highlight some of the work that's being done in Montana. We're having a steak dinner. We're having some, some really cool live auction items that will be for sale to help support grazing lands work within the state. And then we have Wylie & The Wild West, kind of a notable western swing band, coming to finish out the night for us. And I'm really hoping that people bring their dancing shoes and have enough drinks to get them out on the dance floor, because I love to dance, and I'm hoping I'm not the only one out there. But it's going to be a really great time. And hopefully really kind of spread the message and get everybody together. And then Sunday we have another keynote, so we have three keynotes in total; Friday, Saturday, Sunday. We'll have another keynote on Sunday morning. And then folks have an option. They can either go to the field for the field tour or stick around. There's kind of a half day's worth of breakout sessions on Sunday morning. And we'll wrap up around lunch on Sunday. Give folks enough time to drive home or get back to wherever they call home. So, it's going to be a, it's going to be a pretty jam packed weekend. I think there's 46 breakout sessions in total, over 60 speakers coming. It's going to be a big to do. But I'm so excited to put some really good tangible resources in the hands of the folks that need them. That's really the goal.

>> Yeah, I'm curious how you ended up with the title Expo. I think I like it. Expo is short for exposition. And an exposition is, you know, defined as a show in which goods or works of art are shown to the public. In this case, I think, you know, we're having ideas that are shown to the natural resources and grazing public. But what did you have in mind with the term expo, if anything beyond that?

>> I wish there was some really meaningful, really meaningful content or insight to share here. But, honestly, I felt like it was catchy. I felt like it was something that the industry hadn't had or hadn't seen before. Or at least in a while. You know, we have tons of meetings and conferences and conventions. And while all of those things are great, they don't, they don't spark any curiosity in me. I'm like, oh, great, you know, another meeting.

>> Another conference.

>> Or another conference.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. And this is, I mean, it is a conference. But I hope it's so much more than that. And I'm kind of trying to bring in all of the things that I love about all of the meetings and conferences and conventions that I and my other board members have gone to over the years, kind of bring all of those favorite pieces together and combine them all into one, into one event. So, we have lots of live music throughout this. We have lots of opportunity for networking and socializing. Because I feel like a lot of times we're just inundated at these meetings with material. But we don't have enough opportunity to just connect with one another.

>> Yeah.

>> And a lot of times, the best partners are the people that live, you know, the furthest away that you never get to see, you just end up on Zoom calls every now and then. And so sometimes it's just nice to have an opportunity to get together and connect and catch up and brainstorm. So, just trying to build enough time into the schedule for things like that. And some opportunities for folks to kind of relax and bring their spouse, bring their family. We have lots of speakers that are planning trips to Yellowstone and Glacier and exploring Montana and Wyoming while they're up in this region. So, it turns out that Montana in September is not a hard sell. And I think that's helped us quite a bit.

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, at least across much of the Northwest and inland, part of the Northwest chunk of the country, early September is some of the nicest weather of the year, and pretty reliable. Yeah, I do think in a world where everything is online and everything can be done quickly, digitally, this kind of face to face interaction and live learning is even more important. And I think the title Expo gives more of a connotation of that than a conference. You know, when I hear conference, I think of being in the bowels of a conference center somewhere, convention center, and you're not going to see the light of day for four days. Or may potentially not have much interaction with other people, even though everybody is there. But you sort of get this idea of one directional information transfer, which is not very effective. And I think most of the events that we still call conferences are deliberately trying to avoid falling into that trap. But that's all to say I do like the term Expo, and I think it's good. And I think if Wylie Gustafson is playing, it's worth the price of the ticket. You may not know, he was from Colfax, Washington, right in the heart of the Palouse.

>> Oh, very cool. I did not know that.

>> Yeah, yeah, he was, all the locals knew him. I think he was actively involved in local team roping events and stuff. And moved to Montana some time ago. But he's a local here.

>> Well, I'm going to, I'm going to show my age a little bit. But this is really special for me. I grew up as a kid listening to Wylie. My dad has always been a big connoisseur of Western swing music, and kind of the old cowboy tunes. And so Wylie was always through the speakers whenever I was a kid. And I've never had the opportunity to see him live. And so selfishly when I was looking for a headliner for this event, him being from Montana and really embodying the spirit of the West and what we're looking to kind of amplify here at this, at this event, I just felt like it was a perfect fit. So, I think my parents are actually planning to drive up and be at the event, specifically for the concert. And so I'm really excited to get to hear him and maybe dance a song or two with my dad and kind of relive some of those childhood memories. But I absolutely love his music, and I feel like he's the perfect person for this event.

>> Yeah. Great. Well, I'm going to attempt to close us out. But I think one of the draws will be, you know, what is the content? We've talked about the people that you want to be there. What about the people that you know will be there? What's the speaker line up like?

>> Yeah, absolutely. Well

>> And is there a theme? I'm not sure if we answered that yet.

>> So, the theme, in my mind, and kind of what we've really worked hard to shape this conference around, is putting good practical, tangible resources in the hands of the folks that need them, the folks that manage our grazing lands. And share some of those tools and resources with the industry too. So, we have speakers, speakers coming from all over the place, sharing a whole host of information. We've got everything from grazing strategies to ruminant nutrition. We're talking a little bit about, in the compatibility with grazing and renewable energy. We're talking about things like resume building and recordkeeping and bookkeeping, lots of profitability conversations, lots of conversations around kind of your ag operation as a business, things that we're seeing come down from The One, Big, Beautiful Bill, in terms of tax changes and succession planning, how to set up your accounting systems. We're talking a CattleFax update, solar grazing, the value of rancher networks, why it's important to consider things like carbon contracts or conservation easements. All sorts of stuff. We're going to, we're going to talk StockSmart a little bit too, which I'm super excited for. But, but kind of the overall theme, in my mind, is that I want, I want folks to walk into every breakout session and feel like they're taking something from that session. One, that they understand, that they're able to digest. We're not talking complicated research. We're not looking at data. That's for a different conference. This conference is for folks that are looking for tangible tools and resources that they can take home and put to work and see effective change in their operation. And I want that tool to come out of every single session, whether it's, you know, a thought or a shift in mindset that's happening, or it's something as simple as here is a technology product that could help you in your management, or here is a bookkeeping or recordkeeping option that we think would be valuable, or that might help, you know, complement what you're already doing and make your life easier. That's kind of the general theme, in my mind.

>> Yeah, I'm excited for it. I think I'm right that registration is open. And I think people can go to montanaglc.org/expo to learn more and sign up. Is that right?

>> Yes, yeah, absolutely. Registration is open. And I would just encourage, I know I mentioned it earlier, but if you are considering attending the expo and have some financial restrictions, please reach out to us. There are tons of good opportunities. We have lots of folks that are looking to sponsor attendance. This event does qualify for NCBA's Rancher Resilience Grant. It's a 695 dollar check in your pocket, so it's enough to cover your registration and your hotels, or registration and flights, whatever that might look like for you. But please, please reach out. If there's, if you're interested in attending and there's something standing in your way, please reach out. And like you said, all of the information is available at montanaglc.org/expo. That's our website too, montanaglc.org, so you can browse around and learn a little bit more about us and the amazing board members I have to work with, and kind of some of the other work that we do across the State of Montana. But, yeah, all the information is there. Registration is open. And I encourage you not to wait, because I have a feeling our hotel room block is going to fill up here pretty quick.

>> Yeah, good deal. Well, Megan, thank you for your time. And thank you for doing this important work to put together rancher focused events, and various kinds of support. I'm looking forward to this. I'm going to be there to record some live interviews for the podcast and talk about how StockSmart works for ranchers. And I'm pretty excited about it.

>> Yeah, well, we're really excited to have you. And I'm personally excited to learn about StockSmart and some of the work that you guys are doing. And I can't thank you enough for the opportunity to speak a little bit about the GLC and this exciting event.

>> Thank you.

>> Yeah, thank you.

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